Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?



Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby mitchnc » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:08 pm

I was just curious if the Roland CBAs can be set up with a bisonoric "tuning" so that you can use the first row like a Cajun accordion.
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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby JerryPH » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:22 pm

I own a Roland, but the PA not the CBA. Now, in theory, I will say that they can likely be set up to sound like a Cajun accordion (there is even a set called CAJUN, but I am not intimately familiar with how a true Cajun accordion sounds in real life), however, I doubt they can be reconfigured to physically work like a 1 or 2-row diatonic. I've gone through the manual on my 8X about 5-6 times now and learn new things everyday, but I have not bumped in to this configuration.

For this, I am going to say "not possible". :)
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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby JIM D. » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:44 am

Yes they can and some button box players are now performing with "V"accordions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oix8NOcpPFA
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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby TomBR » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:12 am

JIM D. wrote:Yes they can and some button box players are now performing with "V"accordions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oix8NOcpPFA

But isn't that the FR18 - built as a diatonic, not an XB?
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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby mitchnc » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:14 pm

I assume that in order to be bisonoric the bellows sensors would have to sense direction (unless there was some other sensor to do that).
And then the sounds could be programmed accordingly.

My idea, Roland. Pay me for it. :)
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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby TomBR » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:24 pm

mitchnc wrote:I assume that in order to be bisonoric the bellows sensors would have to sense direction (unless there was some other sensor to do that).
And then the sounds could be programmed accordingly.

My idea, Roland. Pay me for it. :)


They would have preferred to sell you an FR18, but it was discontinued... Didn't sell enough of them?
https://www.roland.com/us/products/fr-18_diatonic/
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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby Alan Sharkis » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:00 pm

TomBR wrote:
mitchnc wrote:I assume that in order to be bisonoric the bellows sensors would have to sense direction (unless there was some other sensor to do that).
And then the sounds could be programmed accordingly.

My idea, Roland. Pay me for it. :)


They would have preferred to sell you an FR18, but it was discontinued... Didn't sell enough of them?
https://www.roland.com/us/products/fr-18_diatonic/


Just a small aside -- as little as a year after the FR-18 came out, eBay was full of them! I guess the people who bought them didn't like them, either.

If I'm not mistaken, the FR-8x and 8xb do come with bellows sensors that sense bellows direction. I think I read that somewhere. Would somebody please either back me up or tell me I'm mistaken? If I'm correct, TomBR and mitchnc deserve the credit for that idea. Unfortunately, I'm not with Roland, so I can't pay anything :D

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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby JerryPH » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:52 am

Yes the sensor does detect pressures going in both directions, else it would not be able to modulate volume based on pressure amounts in both directions, but can that be used to change tones by changing directions of the bellows? Right now the 8X doesn't do that and it is even remotely possible that its not even in the programming.
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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby Glenn » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:18 pm

Jerry is right. Senses both directions. I don't imagine that Roland will bring out an update with bi-sonoric settings. They haven't even provided an editor for the 8x.


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Re: Can the Roland simulate Cajun accordion?

Postby kep » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:06 pm

I remember Roland stated that 8x provides slightly different tones based on bellows direction, and it irritated some players so they asked how to switch it off 8-)
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