Software instruments as an external sound source.

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by PolishMoonPolkaTrio » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:12 pm

Glenn - Yep, you can map any MIDI CC# to almost any parameter within Reason. I do this a lot. Unfortunately, the Limex MIDI that I had installed in my accordion is as basic as it gets. It only sends out MIDI note numbers. So I have to reserve certain treble notes (low F through low A) for controlling parameters. When I had the MIDI installed, I was incorrectly told that bellows and key velocity where included. Using the bellows or key velocity to control parameters would be a dream! I use the low notes to control patch changes, volume changes, Leslie on/off, and other stuff in Reason, that way I don’t need a pedalboard to control these things. I don’t use any accordion sounds within Reason, since I’m already playing an acoustic accordion. Plus, they don’t sound great. Reason does a really good job of creating sounds, but not accordion sounds. There may be third-party sounds available, but it doesn’t interest me.

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by Mr turtle » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:11 am

torch wrote:
Mr turtle wrote:I have used my old fr-3s and my laptop with a standalone called Miditzer 260, which simulates a wurlitzer organ.
Also used with vst plugs to access synths and also hammond organ sounds

Works great with reason or fruityloops for playing samples.
Yes, Miditzer 260. Less than 3 MB or so, right? (The 1st generation of the Concerto midi accordion has a sound board which is only 4 MB!) Yet, it sounds darn good, and it's free. If not, they have a free version. I have an arranger called Desktop by V 3 Sound, and I have a theater organ sound board in it, but I want all my sounds in my PC, too and there are fantastic theater organ VSTs out there.

Since your FR3s has a MIDI out not like the FR7 and FR7x, you might want to look into a bluetooth MIDI transmitter. There is one caveat; The FR3x will power the bluetooth MIDI transmitter. The 8x will. I had a friend install a midi jack in my 7x. It did not power the transmitter though the MIDI out sends midi out. If I use the Roland adapter for the 7x, it will power the transmitter, but I did not want to use the ugly and bulky Roland adapter. Later I learned that there was another wire that needed to be connected.
I have been considering a Bluetooth midi setup for some time for use with my 3x, but am having problems finding one to work with Windows rather than ios.

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by torch » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:40 am

[quote="Mr turtle"
I have been considering a Bluetooth midi setup for some time for use with my 3x, but am having problems finding one to work with Windows rather than ios.[/quote]
MIDI over Bluetooth LE is supported in the latest Windows Build, but that's not the end of the story. I was able to pair my accordion with Windows 10 using a bridge app a Japanese guy wrote. However, it is not stable enough. I visited the MIDI Association booth at NAMM this year and they told me that manufacturers have to write a wrapper. Interestingly, Quicco Sound was right next door. I use their mi.1 Bluetooth transmitter. Now you can use the WIDI Bud a tiny Bluetooth MIDI receiver. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... tooth.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Ah, the first review is mine dated Aug 31, 2016. The 1st firmware just couldn't handle all the MIDI data from my 7x. They quickly came out with a few versions of the firmware. It works very well.

As I mentioned in my previous email, the FR3x MIDI out will not power the Bluetooth transmitter. The 8x does. In my case, the installed midi jack in my 7x didn't power the transmitter at first though it sends midi out, but my technician found out that it needs a ground wire or something like that connected. Now my 7x powers the transmitter. If you need a service manual for the FR3x, you can send me a private message.

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by Mr turtle » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:22 am

Thanks for the info, I guess I might have to look at purchasing a higher model of accordion or finding a battery powered transmitter. I already use wireless foe my audio so one more pack hanging from my belt should not make too much difference

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by torch » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:52 pm

Well, the idea of the Bluetooth midi is less cables or devices. If it requires another battery pack, you might as well go with a standard wirless systrem. Sometimes "wireless" systems involve more wires than wired systems. For audio, I use the Guitar Bug type because I just don't want run a cable around the accordion. By the way, the MIDI out of the FR4x has enough juice to power the mi.1 BT transmitter. There must be a way to power the transmitter by connecting the right wire inside the 3x to the midi jack.

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by Mr turtle » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:46 pm

I know enough about electronics to know I know nothing about electronics, and so would not even contemplate trying to wire anything up inside my accordion. If I ever came across anyone who was competent to do so however I would not hesitate to have it done.


I could always try bribing one of the Roland techs at Swansea into doing the job.

But thanks for the suggestion, that's what I love about forums like this, good honest friendly advice.

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by Mr turtle » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:50 pm

Think I have found the perfect solution to my midi needs.

http://m.kentonuk.com/products/wireless/midistream.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Has a reasonable range and should work both indoors and outdoors.

Not the cheapest but certainly looks like it's built to last.

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by torch » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:38 pm

Some more choices.

http://www.cme-pro.com/proline/product- ... t_id=8.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you can find a used one.. I have had this unit over 5 years. I could never jam it. Solid operation. It can even serve as a computer USB interface.

http://pandamidi.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.midi-store.com/Starr-Labs-Ai ... u21297.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I got this one, too. Works great.

MIDIjet.. Too expensive. The Kenton. To me, both the transmitter and receiver are too big..

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Re: Software instruments as an external sound source.

Post by Mr turtle » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:11 pm

Thanks for the info.

I already looked into the pandamidi system but from some of the reviews I read it seems that it is prone to dropouts.

Which is a shame because it is about half the cost of the Kenton.

Size is not too much of an issue to me as the transmitter does not appear to be any bigger than the one I am already using for my audio.

Also I am more than a little weary of Bluetooth after a bad experience with a audio transmitter I bought a few years back for my old fr-3s.

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