learning to play the accordion by ear

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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by Farmer T » Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:05 pm

Not sure what has happened, I was replying this morning, to what Soulsaver had replied to George's Jan 09,2016 2:53 am, comments, but when I hit submit I seem to have lost both my reply and Soulsavers reply. They showed up on page 15 of the thread but have disappeared from my computer. Sorry about that, I may be able to play the accordion by ear but this computer stuff baffles me even more than playing by note.

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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by Soulsaver » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:48 am

Sorry about that - mine was just an observation.. and then decided it was likely to take the thread off at a tangent.. so deleted it... maybe that caused yours to glitch?
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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by Farmer T » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:01 am

No problem Soulsaver, and thanks for the possible explanation. I did notice you went off line right about when I hit submit. I was just going to blame it on Murphey, as nothing else made sense at the time. :)

I was just commenting on how hard I seem to find it learning to play by note. My sister who is accomplished on the piano has started taking lessons on the accordion and is doing well at it, all by note, but then she understands basic music theory, something I do not, even though I have bought books on it and keep trying to learn it. I can not get it to stick in my head, I guess I should have taken it more serious when the old noggin was still young enough to learn something new. What's that they say about teaching an old dog new trick?! :roll:

I have heard it said that playing by ear is not for everyone, and my sister says she is completely lost with out the notes. Playing by ear works for me, but it tends to get played my way rather than exactly as written in the book so, it can be a challenge for someone depending strictly on the notes to enjoy playing with me, unless I can adapt my ear to their playing.
At the end of the day the same thing applies to both styles of playing, just keep practising and enjoy the music, it will get better and easier. :ch

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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by bocsa » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:15 am

Farmer T wrote:(...) enjoy the music (...)
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Terry. that's a pure distillation of the whole luggite ~ dotty debate :)
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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by george garside » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:58 am

Agreed! Rigid dotists and rigid earists don't always mix well as eg one might say something on the lines of '' you should have played a C# minim there! '' whislt t'other particularly if leading a tune, band or whatever might say something like '' you weren't quite with me there!''

Perhaps the answer is for both to hone their listening skills ( which is not the same as playing by ear) so that they are better able to blend in with each other irrespective of who is the nominal ''leader'' of a particular tune or piece of music??

The same probably goes for 2 earists OR 2 dotists playing together!

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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by donn » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:35 pm

Farmer T wrote:Playing by ear works for me, but it tends to get played my way rather than exactly as written in the book so, it can be a challenge for someone depending strictly on the notes to enjoy playing with me, unless I can adapt my ear to their playing.
As you probably know, in some styles of music, the written notation is only an approximation of the music that an experienced player would actually play. "Swing feel" is a classic example - the music will be written square, but it's to be played in more of a 12/8 meter. In principle this applies to all music to one extent or another - written notation isn't a rigorously complete description of what's to be played - but curiously enough, musical notation works better for music that's commonly learned via musical notation.

So ... I suppose that may have little to do with the issue, but if in fact you're playing with people who are sticking too rigidly to the written note values, then of course that rather calls for them to adapt their own ears.

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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by acordiansam » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:21 pm

Just becouse you play by ear does not mean you can't play it like the dots say you just have to hear it first.

When you play with people. You play with people ear or not. Every one has to be on the same page timming wise and cord wise. To play with people should be eazer if you play by ear.

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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by Stephen Hawkins » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:24 am

Hello George,
I am very new to this forum, and to the Piano Accordion. As you may have read in my earlier posts, I played Clarinet in the 1960's. This was done entirely by ear, and I would add tunes to my repertoire as I went along. Familiarity with the instrument was the key which eventually opened the door to confident playing.
I have already suggested, elsewhere on this site, that novices in a region should get together to practice and to share information. This would be even better if more advanced players were to lend their time to such projects. This idea is not beyond the realms of possibility, though I confess that I have had no takers to date.
Accordion playing need not be done in isolation. In my mind, I picture people sitting at home and struggling with their instruments for lack of very basic help and advice. My experience of Accordion Clubs has not been particularly encouraging, and I feel that a "grass roots" movement would improve and expand the accordions appeal.
Elitism appears to be winning its battle against logic, and I wonder if anyone here wishes to address the matter. I am prepared to arrange the provision of a suitable venue in my region, but only if enough people want to get involved.
Please believe me, this is not an attack on established Accordion Clubs, but rather the identification of a problem which is looking for a solution.
Thank you for taking the time to read my post.
Kind Regards,
Stephen Hawkins.

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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by bocsa » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:45 am

Stephen Hawkins wrote:(...)
I have already suggested, elsewhere on this site, that novices in a region should get together to practice and to share information. This would be even better if more advanced players were to lend their time to such projects. This idea is not beyond the realms of possibility, though I confess that I have had no takers to date.
You may get more interest if you include:

A link to elsewhere on this site

your location in your signature

add yourself here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1480" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; if you haven't already done so

If you're of a certain age you might like to check your local U3A for accordion group(s) ... I found one 10 miles from me in Market Deeping :D

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Re: learning to play the accordion by ear

Post by Stephen Hawkins » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:54 pm

Dear Bosca,

This is not an excuse, but I am not very good at providing the links you have suggested. (in fact, I don't really have a clue how to do it)
Brenda and I are involved with an organisation which comes under the umbrella of AGE UK, and which provides wide ranging services and activities for people of our age. I know that one of the organisers plays guitar at a Folk Club (not the one we go to) and will make some enquiries with her.
This may all amount to nothing, but I feel that a grass roots accordion club could provide beginners with a safe, pleasant and non-judgemental atmosphere in which to learn and practice. This would be made even better if a few improvers were to lend a little of their time in helping others to improve their skills.
As previously stated, I am not attacking established accordion clubs, nor am I trying to set up in opposition to them. My experience of one local accordion club leads me to believe that the needs of beginners are extremely low on their agenda, and that is the issue I am trying to highlight and address.
It is only my opinion, but I see a very definite need to stop and reverse the downward trend in accordion playing, and this will not be done in self-absorbed mutual appreciation societies. Accordion Clubs which fail to reach out and engage with potential players will ultimately cause the fossilisation of a great instrument.
I just don't want to sit through hours of tedium, listening to a virtuoso performance from an accordion player who is trying to show me how good and worthy he (or she) is. Perhaps, in time, I may wish to listen to such a recital but, for now, I want to work with other novices who are struggling to improve their skills.
The Piano Accordion deserves better advocates than it currently has, and I see little evidence of anyone reaching out to communities or community organisations. How many of the better players on here have ever approached a pensioner's or youth group? How many have contacted the military in order to inform people who are due to leave the service that they are welcome to join in? Stephen Hawkins.

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