Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in



Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby Stephen » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:11 pm

For me the concept of muscle memory is real, but a coworking of the brain and the muscles and the nerve system.
Isolating the muscles indeed makes no sense.
And what could a brain do without muscles?

Cba layout, for me, minimises brain efforts.
My personal motivation is: "keep it simple ".
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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby mitchnc » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:34 pm

Question: If I'm going to be using the Galliano book, which fully uses the thumb, can I still benefit from Sixt's YouTube lessons, or are they opposing methods?
Sixt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIw0aVo8Fuw
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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby TomBR » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:24 pm

mitchnc wrote:Question: If I'm going to be using the Galliano book, which fully uses the thumb, can I still benefit from Sixt's YouTube lessons, or are they opposing methods?
Sixt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIw0aVo8Fuw


The one thing that seems to be consistent about CBA fingering is that everyone says there's no right answer! :o Obviously if Galliano uses the thumb and Sixt doesn't then you've got alternatives, or opposing methods if you look at it that way.

This discussion has pretty much avoided PA vs CBA as I hoped it would, but I guess "piano" fingering is more defined which might be an advantage to anyone who likes to know they are doing it "the right way." Otherwise, if you prefer certainty on CBA it's a matter or choosing your guide and sticking with them.

I've tended to try to find "legato" fingerings on CBA, as I did on PA, but having watched the Sixt scale video that you linked in your post, where he uses only three fingers I think it would be worth practicing "hopping" so that I have it as a tool when needed.
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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby george garside » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:41 pm

for what its worth I would suggest practicing with and without the thumb so you can choose either method depending on what works best for a particular tune or even part of a tune. Therefore when learning anew tune and playing through it slowly give due consideration to how best to finger it. As Tom has said there is no single best way and that is something I am duly greatful for!

I understand that piano teachers have now become mush more flexible in their approach to how one should finger the thing and this of course should also apply to playing a piano box

Was it the pianist Russ Conway who was a finger short and managed extremely well without it?

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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby Stephen » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:24 pm

Interesting ideas about fingering techniques on CBAs in the latest post.

Another suggestion:
Accordion teachers work fingering techniques from general techniques to the specific.

I mean eg the first 2 or 3 years the students learn all about the basics with the thumb included. On 3 rows thus 3 scales. Then on the repeat rows.
After this basic introduction, the student can choose a fingering specialisation towards folk trad, classical, musette, balkan, jazz, etc.

So you work from the general set of techniques to the limited practices.
The advantage is the learner can use the best of practices from all music genres and techniques.
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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby dan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:10 am

The most general technique in my view is to learn the layout of keys for a given scale and get comfortable hitting those notes with any available finger. Sixt has several exercises like this, i.e. practicing ascending thirds with index and middle then middle and ring etc. After making slow progress with method books and various scale fingerings, I found this approach liberating
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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby george garside » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:24 am

at the end of the day that's what the method books do. however many of then seem to drag out the process for rather longer than most non professional players need or want - perhaps they are written to keep music teachers in business!!
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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby JonathanC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:16 am

TomBR wrote:
mitchnc wrote:Question: If I'm going to be using the Galliano book, which fully uses the thumb, can I still benefit from Sixt's YouTube lessons, or are they opposing methods?
Sixt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIw0aVo8Fuw


The one thing that seems to be consistent about CBA fingering is that everyone says there's no right answer! :o Obviously if Galliano uses the thumb and Sixt doesn't then you've got alternatives, or opposing methods if you look at it that way.



I agree,
I don’t use my thumb very often when playing, but I know where it is so I do occasionally. :-)
Profressional vs self learning arguments aside (that will never be resolved to everyones agreement) , take on board all the tips you see and see what works best for you.
At the end of the day its about making good music. If something sounds wrong because its tricky on the fingers, see if there is another way.

Good luck with it Mitchnc
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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby JonathanC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:21 am

george garside wrote:- perhaps they are written to keep music teachers in business!!
george :evil: ;)


...to clarify, you are not refering to your books here George are you? ;-)
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Re: Another crossover - PA to CBA two months in

Postby Stephen » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:39 pm

I just have another idea, maybe some UK or USA based DIY learners PA to CBA transition write an online 100 pages tutorial, with tips.
They have experienced the transition, so they can advise others.

Collecting best practices in an online tutorial.

In English, so worldwide for most learners.
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