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CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:35 pm
by mitchnc
Using the Galliano book, his fingering for a major scale is:

1-2-3-4-2-3-4-5 (or land on 1 if continuing on)

There's a "leap of faith" when jumping from 4 to 2, and also I can't see how you can play it smoothly without a break.
I've seen other methods that use 1-2-3-4-2-3-4 etc.

Curious what your thoughts are.

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:50 pm
by Nuuksu
I suppose You mean C system CBA, Galliano use it, it is very popular in France. There is some situations on CBA when You must take extra care for smoothness because that same reason You mentioned. This is sometimes also mentioned as disadvantage of CBA, it can be somewhat elliminated with choosing right fingering pattern for each situation. Compared to PA there is usually two to four different possible fingerings for one situation.

For C major I use 2-4-3-4-3-2-4-2, but this pattern is for B system.

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:36 am
by george garside
there are no hard and fast rules for fingering on a cba and for best results a flexible approach is needed i.e. adjust to suite the particular part of a particular tune.
As a basic starting point counting thumb as one I use 123 234 21 which puts you back on 1 for the next octave. But for starters pick one that works for you and then try it with 'variations' so that you can use various fingers for various buttons if necessary and without conscious thought.

Its not unlike the british chromatic player automatically using aa different choice of button for the same note depending on the circumstances without conscious thought as when playing 'for real' there is no time for such cogitations!

george

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:46 pm
by mitchnc
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure that I practice correctly and don't "bake in" any incorrect muscle memory.
I logged 6 hours of practice yesterday.

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:11 pm
by debra
george garside wrote:there are no hard and fast rules for fingering on a cba and for best results a flexible approach is needed i.e. adjust to suite the particular part of a particular tune.
As a basic starting point counting thumb as one I use 123 234 21 which puts you back on 1 for the next octave. But for starters pick one that works for you and then try it with 'variations' so that you can use various fingers for various buttons if necessary and without conscious thought.

Its not unlike the british chromatic player automatically using aa different choice of button for the same note depending on the circumstances without conscious thought as when playing 'for real' there is no time for such cogitations!

george
This is what I do as well: 123 234 21 to continue or 123 234 24 to stop.
But going down I do not reverse this sequence. I do 321 321 21 instead.
My wife does reverse the sequence from going up when going down. It's all a matter of personal preference.

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:17 pm
by mitchnc
Watching the pros play CBA, there's not much technique to glean. Their fingers just float over the buttons.
I love watching Ludovic Beier.

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:04 pm
by george garside
you would glean even less watching a pro British Chromatic player. Watch some of the youtube vids of Brandon Mcphee on the Shand Morino - by comparison the continental chromatic looks dead easy!

george

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:39 pm
by Russ
the reason that jump puts your hand in a position to play the next octave. The Galliano book will also show you different ways to finger that scale.

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:25 am
by Acon
For Major scales starting from different rows, here are fingerings I use:
Row 1: 1-2-1-2-3-1-2-1 (up and down)
Row 2: 3-1-2-1-2-3-1-3 (up and down)
Row 3: 2-3-1-3-1-2-1-2 (up and down)

Yes I love to use the thumb! :tup:

But I also use an alternative fingering. It's all the same as shown above but the 1(thumb) is replaced by the 4 (ring finger).
Works well for me too.

Re: CBA major scale fingering

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:23 am
by dan
There's no "leap of faith" if you rotate your wrist when ring finger hits. With practice it can played almost legato but I never figured out the benefit of this sort of move. I prefer the fingering recommended by George