My Funny Valentine

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My Funny Valentine

Post by losthobos » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:54 pm

Cheers for watching and general encouragement...been toying with this one since Valentines day and posting as february about to end...messy i know..as my love life generally is...
https://youtu.be/lexIA8e-WnE
I'm gonna disappear now for a while...the standard on the I Did That thread has really jumped recently so i'm off to bury my head in some theory and technique sessions, easy on dudes...
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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by hais1273 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:21 pm

It's not perfect, but It's pretty good! Honest... I've been trying to produce a half way decent recording of a couple of simple folky style waltzes this evening. At one point i wondred if I was able to play a CD, never mind an accordion...Enjoy your theory and practice

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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by BobM » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:01 am

Hi Terry, you might want to listen to some diverse versions of this song to get some ideas to create some separation between the hands. Because to the melody is in one manner it doesn't mean that the LH needs to be the same. IMO this song especially on the Acc, could benefit from a more moving part accenting your descending bass line more. Like a 60's pop ballad? (At the same tempo.)
The Dominant bass note is often key to getting the LH to open out and to move, not so with this particular song but as a general rule. Think more like a bassist?

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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by TomBR » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:22 am

Well played you. It's no small thing to put up videos for "peer review." I enjoyed it.
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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by EMan » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:46 pm

Well played you. It's no small thing to put up videos for "peer review." I enjoyed it.
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I second that. Nice job.

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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by losthobos » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:46 pm

Ah Bob how lovely to see you beady ears are lurking about again..........and there was me thinking how pleased you'd be i'd paid attention to one of your suggestions re scale/chords on the stradella and played C/Cmin. B/G7, Bb?Cmin, A/Fmin etc....as the rundown...
It's not that i don't hear what you say half the time...it's just my fingers haven't developed the habit of doing it yet.....it's still multitasking to me to totally seperate the left from the right...
Tom i don't mind a bit of peer pressure guiding me...i need the help...
as i said i'm gonna disappear a while and poke into a bit of theory/technique rather than tunes ... been checking this guy and find it easy enough to digest.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWM4ODFOrYU&t=818s
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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by BobM » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:36 pm

losthobos wrote:..........and there was me thinking how pleased you'd be i'd paid attention to one of your suggestions re scale/chords on the stradella and played C/Cmin. B/G7, Bb?Cmin, A/Fmin etc....as the rundown...
Sorry, I picked up on that but failed to comment, my bad. I'm still a little uncertain about whether you've fully grasped my point about having an independent (ish) LH, by starting with a 2 beat rhythm and then moving the notes around to create the rhythm that you want.
I've been off the box for a while, having bigger fish to fry work wise. I retire soon and plan to cease trading as a full time musician, and hope to get going again and maybe buy a Melodica to sharpen up the RH before returning to the PA and being Mr Grumpy once more..
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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by losthobos » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:11 am

Bob.."Bigger fish to fry??" I'd been imagining you taking that puppy for endless walks...bet they've grown some...
No i'm not sure i've grasped your drift totally either... by 2 beat do you mean playing on the 1 and 3 or getting more swing motion by playing on the 2 and 4...it's a complex area these stradella rhythms...you need to retire asap and make a study video for hungry foxes like me...
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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by Glenn » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:10 am

This is a fiendishly difficult piece to interpret.
It's well know, has lush chords and no easy rhythm.
You played it with some nice touches (if not a little hesitatant at times).
You've inspired me to have another go and see what I can do with it this time.
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Re: My Funny Valentine

Post by BobM » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:37 pm

losthobos wrote:Bob.."Bigger fish to fry??" I'd been imagining you taking that puppy for endless walks...bet they've grown some...
No i'm not sure i've grasped your drift totally either... by 2 beat do you mean playing on the 1 and 3 or getting more swing motion by playing on the 2 and 4...it's a complex area these stradella rhythms...you need to retire asap and make a study video for hungry foxes like me...
The Bigger fish, has been trying to get to the end of my "professional career" before the work completely dried up. I used to play a lot of Bass Gtr and D/Bass in bands for dancing in hotels and ballrooms (amongst many other things) with a wide variety of of musicians, so when I got hold of the Stradella it seemed to suggest ways to re-create some of these rhythms.

But sorting rhythms is much easier if they're named and retained. Using the Waltz as an example; a Slow Waltz and a Viennese waltz have the same components but it's the speed that's different, also the Viennese has more of a swing to it.*

But to make a slow waltz more interesting you could remove the 3rd beat (chord) which creates a little tension, putting it back for a chorus. It doesn't change the fact that it's waltz. Or add a quaver Dominant bass note before the next Root note to give it a lift, but it's still a Waltz. And this is why it's so important to practice rhythms on their own, so that you can dovetail the 2 hands together without having to think so much about it.

The same applies to a "2 beat" rhythm, which includes a Polkas, old style Country and Western, or various Folk danceable tunes, it's still a 2 Beat and has the same basic components, in this case Bass Chord, Bass Chord, but this is where it gets interesting, a Root to Chord rhythm only, has less apparent depth than one that includes a Dominant bass where it can be fitted in, and it's this Dominant bass note that opens the door to other rhythms.

Getting back to the "OT", there's many different valid versions out there. It's not a tragic song, even though the lyric at the end suggests a little doubt or need. I imagine this played in time with a flowing RH going to chords on the longer notes but the LH playing a more juxtaposed 60's pop ballad rhythm, B C BB C. etc etc..
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