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Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by CPezMusic » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:58 pm

Thank you guys for All the info and the Ideas!

So to answer your question Giovanni - No - Steve Albini is realistically NO LONGER with ROLAND. Steve and I were waiting years for when Roland would finally cut him, as you could just feel by the way he was treated that he was worth nothing more than a paper clip, and the female who shall not be named would win the 6 year long game of the hit reality series "Survivor: Roland". Dennis Houlihan was voted off the island in 2010, then so many others, then I was voted off the island in 2011, then all the DSM's in a shocking move in late 2011, and on and on. But she finally has won it. Before Steve could Finally (after years of wanting to tell them all off) Actually Tell them all off in the days after being let go, they offered him to be just "demoted" from the head of Accoridons as he was since shortly after Ron Lankford's death, to the 1 Product Specialist they would have. He decided to take them up on this one trip (which Jim talked about in going to Falchetti's) which will have a few stops, but this will be over soon as they didn't even invite him to the NAMM show. So the real answer is, "No, he isn't". Once Steve is gone from there fully, I can then finally talk more freely about WHAT ACTUALLY went on from 2008-2015/2016 at Roland, with going from the Accordions' Best Friend, and my (and others) Weapon against the Accordion World's 70 year old beliefs to make the Accordion Cool again, to when Roland became more of an Enemy to the Accordion than a friend. But that's a whole other issue.

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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by kep » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:17 pm

Cory,

Please speak up! This is an issue we need to be aware of, as we Roland accordion players are shortsighted of the instrument's perspective, progress, and limits.

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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by CPezMusic » Tue May 02, 2017 1:22 am

I've Got the Answer!! At least for now....

It was F1 Fuse. If you have the schematics. F1. A $1 fuse. I always knew it was going to be a "2 Cent Part" as we say in Racing. A HUGE Thanks to Dave's Accordions (In LA) Son Dave for figuring it out. I have played the accordion about 2 weeks and 12 Hours, and no problems so far. Bass is perfect, and No Sticking. Maybe a going old Fuse is the Reason it started going crazy, and then it just finally went. BUT - Dave said he thinks what Caused the Fuse to start to go was From the Left Side. So, we still don't really have a Total answer. Will update soon.

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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by Glenn » Tue May 02, 2017 6:46 am

Thanks for the feedback Cory. How did Dave guess it was a fuse? Not an obvious thing to check unless it fails totally and then it's not a question of being intermittent but rather permanent.


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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by Nuuksu » Tue May 02, 2017 2:45 pm

If it was resettable fuse then there must be or was or something triggers short circuit somewhere until fuse gave completely up. Cleaning plugs and contacts may help to avoid shorts in future. Closely inspecting cables is also very good ieda, especially those that are bent, there may be micro cracks on insulation. This issue is common on mic cables - they seem to be normal and usually don't have shorts but only in certain angle. Humid weather may wake up chemical leftovers on places where they shouldn't be. Water condensation may occour when moving from one place to another and between them is more than 10 degree difference and air is very humid.

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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by pentaprism » Tue May 02, 2017 8:13 pm

CPezMusic wrote:It was F1 Fuse.
Fuse F1 in the DC-DC Converter?

That's interesting. I thought that if that fuse was blown, the accordion would be dead.
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DC-DC Converter location in FR-5/FR-7.
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DC-DC Converter circuit diagram
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DC-DC Converter, component side

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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by Alan Sharkis » Wed May 03, 2017 11:58 pm

Sometimes lessons are learned the hard way.

I know somebody who has two Roland accordions, a 4X and an 8X. In both cases, he ordered the accordions with extra Roland power supplies.

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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by JerryPH » Thu May 04, 2017 12:14 am

Pentaprism, what I'd like to know is where you got those pictures from? I'd love to have a service manual for my 8x! :b
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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by pentaprism » Thu May 04, 2017 7:39 pm

JerryPH wrote:I'd love to have a service manual for my 8x! :b
Can't help you with that, Jerry. Check your PM.

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Re: Same problem on FR7, 7X, 8X! Crazy!

Post by Keymn » Thu May 11, 2017 12:17 pm

I just received a fr4x 2 days ago. Played a day and lo and behold, had 2 problems.

1. It would not turn off, had to disconnect the power cord
2. One of the bass chords stuck on. Just kept hitting them and it unstuck. I think this was more of a mechanical issue?

This only occurred one time. Will have to monitor this.

Never had a problem with my fr7. I think I will keep it for awhile as a backup.

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