Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

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Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by Troy_79 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:47 am

Dear forum members,

I just purchased a second hand V-accordion FR-3s, but I have problems with an uneven bellow operation. The sounds is loud and steady when I push the bellow together. But when I pull the bellow apart, the sounds is weak and often drops out. I have tested with different bellow settings (digital settings) as well as different bellow leakage (leakage wheel), without any luck. I contacted Roland and they told me the following:

"Based on what you've described, we would agree that it sounds like your accordion needs to have the "bellows calibration" procedure performed. For the FR-3S model, this procedure has to be done while the accordion is in "test mode", which is something we only recommend technicians enter."

I've tried to contact the Roland support and service partner in Norway, but none of them are getting back to me. So I feel pretty much stuck.

Are anybody here familiar with this calibration procedure that Roland support describes? I know this is available for the user in the FR-3x, but I can't find any information for the older FR-3s.

I'm sorry if this topic has been covered here before, but I couldn't find anything when doing a search.

Best regards,
Troy

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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by JerryPH » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:22 pm

Troy_79 wrote:I've tried to contact the Roland support and service partner in Norway, but none of them are getting back to me.
Hi Troy, I too am a V-accordion owner (FR-8x), but unfortunately I don't have any help for you. There are a couple of suggestions that might help you, however.

First, you might want to join the Yahoo Roland V-accordion group and ask your question there again (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/rol ... dions/info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). There are a few very knowledgeable people that might have the answer for you.

Second, I would suggest you find the contact telephone number of a Roland Repair Center in the USA and speak to them (both Florida and California have repair centers with good reputations). Yes, there are issues of time differences and some possible long distance charges, but these people are more likely able to help you faster than a Roland partner in Norway.

I wish you luck! Please keep us posted, ok?
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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by Glenn » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:26 pm

Does it fall out right at the beginning of the pull or only at the end?


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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by TW » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:55 pm

Applies to FR1X (manual p67)
..... but something similar must be in the FR3 manual:
■The bellows exhibits an erratic behavior
If the bellows doesn’t work as expected, causing
notes to sound even while it is not moved, its sensors
may need resetting.
To do so, close the bellows, switch off the FR-1x, then
press and hold the ORCHESTRAL [BASS] and [CHORD/
FREE BASS] buttons while switching the FR-1x back
on. After a few seconds, the display shows the “don”
message (Done) and then returns to the main page.

The thread on this forum is;
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2290&p=24022&hilit ... set#p24022" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
you could give it a go anyway....

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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by Soulsaver » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:35 am

Maybe the obvious question - what does the FR3s manual say?
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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by JIM D. » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:26 pm

You need to do a factory reset - this process restores the factory defaults.
Look in your manual for "Factory Reset" and or "Restoring the Factory Defaults" -- perform the procedure - then switch off the box, and restart.
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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by Troy_79 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:35 pm

Hi all,

Thanks for valuable feedback!

Most often the sound falls out in the beginning of the pull. But other times it may fall out in the middle or at the end. It feels a bit random actually.

I have searched trought the FR-3s manual, but it does not mention any calibration method as in the x-series. I did however try to the the same as described in the FR-1x and the FR-3x manual, but nothing happens and I don´t get any "don" message either. It does not seem like there is a calibration function, other than the one that the "technicians" know of.

I´ve also done a factory reset but that did not do anything either.

I´m waiting for approval at the Yahoo Roland V-accordion group, so I will see if I can find any info there. If that doesn´t lead anywhere I will try to call the Roland Repair Center.

It may be that the mechanics need a cleaning too. Or that it will improve if I play it a bit more.

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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by pentaprism » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:05 pm

Check your PM, Troy.

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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by Acon » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:47 am

I just got my FR3-xb (button type) few days ago and have the same issue. The sound produced when pushing the bellow back is always louder than that when pulling it out. I would say it's at least 1.5x difference. It causes uneven number of notes you can play when operating this instrument in and out.

I love this FR3-xb because it makes practicing at night possible but this issue is really annoying. Tried to restoring the factory defaults (p.64 on the FR-3X manual) and got "DON" but nothing has changed. Still same uneven bellow operation.

Seems it's not just me but there're some people get the same issue out there.
I've tried to join the Yahoo group too (thanks Jerry!!) and still waiting for the approval.

Please share any more idea to solving this issue here. I'll really appreciate it. {}

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Re: Roland FR-3s and uneven bellow operation

Post by Acon » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:08 pm

Just been approved to access the Yahoo group and found the solution for this issue. That thread is for the FR7-Xb but I think it works for FR3-Xb too.

So you have to open the front grill (which will lose your warranty of that instrument) and use a screwdriver to adjust a screw, and then you have to find a way to enter the TEST MODE to find the Pressure Sensor Calibration parameter and make sure it's ZERO after the adjustment (any number but ZERO will cause the uneven volume between pulling and pushing).

The problem is, I don't know how to enter the TEST MODE of FR3-Xb. Tried the way for FR7-Xb (holding treble register 1 & 3 before turning the power on) but didn't work.

Updated in 20th March: Besides not knowing the way to enter the TEST MODE, I just removed the front grill of FR3-Xb and found the inner layout is completely different than the FR7-Xb, and I couldn't find anything similar to the screw described in the Yahoo thread for adjusting the balance of the sensor. So...it seems we got stuck here...
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