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Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:29 am
by Keymn
There has been an interest in controlling the Fr4x with Songbook+ app.
Check out the link below on instruction. I have tried it and it works!
Select a song on the iPad app, the accordion set or user program changes.

https://baumsoftware.freshdesk.com/en/s ... 7000051000

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:05 am
by JerryPH
Very impressive! For live performers, this is a big time saver!

Now let's let imagination go one step further and ask... can it configure a Roland BK-7m at the same time? If yes, being able to just chose a song and the rhythm, tempo, initial instruments, your V-Accordion settings all get activated from the selection of a song on an iPad... that would be almost a must-have for any live performer of this genre!!

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:02 am
by Keymn
JerryPH wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:05 am
Very impressive! For live performers, this is a big time saver!

Now let's let imagination go one step further and ask... can it configure a Roland BK-7m at the same time? If yes, being able to just chose a song and the rhythm, tempo, initial instruments, your V-Accordion settings all get activated from the selection of a song on an iPad... that would be almost a must-have for any live performer of this genre!!
Yes, I just tried it with my Korg PA3x. Select the song on the iPad, it changed them both! You need another ud-bt01 plugged in the arranger. In my case, I just had a spare mi.1 which I plugged into the Korg. I do not have a BK7m, Korg has Songbook with numbers. I think BK7m has performance numbers you can set up? Correct me if I am wrong.

BK7m instruction
https://baumsoftware.freshdesk.com/solu ... 0049698/en

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:27 pm
by torch
Keymn wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:29 am
There has been an interest in controlling the Fr4x with Songbook+ app.
Check out the link below on instruction. I have tried it and it works!
Select a song on the iPad app, the accordion set or user program changes.

https://baumsoftware.freshdesk.com/en/s ... 7000051000
Great info. I tried Set List Maker in my IOS device with the 4x. It works well, too. I used a USB cable because don't have the Yamaha UD-BT01. Yamaha has not written a Windows driver for the UD-BT01, and I've been waiting for Korg or anyone else to come out with one. All Bluetooth midi devices by Korg support Windows through their Bluetooth driver. I have to use a Bluetooth MIDI receiver to use the UD-BT01 on Windows.

How did you mount the UD-BT01 on your FR4x?

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:58 pm
by Keymn
torch wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:27 pm
Keymn wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:29 am
There has been an interest in controlling the Fr4x with Songbook+ app.
Check out the link below on instruction. I have tried it and it works!
Select a song on the iPad app, the accordion set or user program changes.

https://baumsoftware.freshdesk.com/en/s ... 7000051000
Great info. I tried Set List Maker in my IOS device with the 4x. It works well, too. I used a USB cable because don't have the Yamaha UD-BT01. Yamaha has not written a Windows driver for the UD-BT01, and I've been waiting for Korg or anyone else to come out with one. All Bluetooth midi devices by Korg support Windows through their Bluetooth driver. I have to use a Bluetooth MIDI receiver to use the UD-BT01 on Windows.

How did you mount the UD-BT01 on your FR4x?
The UD-bt-01 is plugged into an outlet as illustrated in the link. Wireless would require a short USB cable, maybe 3" which is hard to find. A USB battery. All very small but need some more research on the mounting. What is really clean is Quicco Mi.1 plugged into midi in/out of the FR8X. Yamaha has the similar, md-bt01.

It would be interesting to ask if those new Roland pianos with built in Bluetooth can do the same function as the UD-BT01?

The reason I bought a Korg was because of the Songbook+ App which already had instructions to connect. It is easier to set up, all you need is to insert a decimal Songbook number in the code box. No need to use those midi bank wheels.

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:35 am
by torch
If you plug the UD-bt-01 in an AC outlet, you might as well use a USB cable, but if you are going to go totally wireless you can use a USB battery pack as you mentioned.

6 inch USB cable
https://www.amazon.com/YCS-Basics-Black ... +usb+cable

USB Battery Pack
https://www.amazon.com/SINOELE-Portable ... Bpack&th=1

Look how this person mounted the UD-BT-01 on his MIDI device. The pic is at the bottom of the page.
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... 3&t=482020

I would mount the whole thing near the LCD screen. You can run a USB cable behind the backpad. In my case, I would reserve the only Din MIDI on the 4x for doing pitch bend, Rotary Slow/Fast, Break, and etc from a midi foot controller. If you are driving an an external module or an arranger, midi can be routed through the the IOS device while you are changing sets and UPGs from your SongBook+. My, that's a lot of ins and outs. I noticed that the midi foot controller messages sent to the FR4x also go out and do the same in the attached external module. That's kind of nice. As for Roland, there is only one lower end keyboard besides their digital piano that is equipped with Bluetooth midi. Not a big deal. The Yamaha UD-bt-01 will give the function,.

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:15 am
by JerryPH
TIme for me to start saving for an iPad Pro 2... lol

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:21 am
by Keymn
Like that battery pack recommendation for the USB.
I too need my midi port for midijet or midi cable to control arranger.

Looking at the Beat Buddy
https://singularsound.com/
It has midi in/out for Mi.1 or the Md-bt01 for remote drum beat selection like an arranger. I think this can be programmed for songbook+ to change rhythms and tempo.
This pedal maybe all we need for dance hall performances. Do we need more?

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:42 pm
by JerryPH
Keymn wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:21 am
This pedal maybe all we need for dance hall performances. Do we need more?
I don't know... I thought I was all set with a FR-8X and a BK-7m... and now look! :lol:

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:22 pm
by Keymn
JerryPH wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:42 pm
Keymn wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:21 am
This pedal maybe all we need for dance hall performances. Do we need more?
I don't know... I thought I was all set with a FR-8X and a BK-7m... and now look! :lol:
You are all set! I am trying to cut down my luggage and eliminate the need to lug my Korg around.
But it is interesting how different music hardware manufacturers tend to cater to IPad users.

(Just a note on my comment on controlling both the BK-7m in unison with accordion bank change. It may not work.
The reason it works for me is because the Korg has Songbook numbers, in Songbook+ you insert the song number in the code box. Then set the midi wheels on that song to control the accordion Bank, program, set changes). Here is the Korg manual.
http://www.korg.com/download/global/pas ... r_iPad.pdf

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:55 am
by torch
Keymn wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:21 am
Like that battery pack recommendation for the USB.
I too need my midi port for midijet or midi cable to control arranger.

Looking at the Beat Buddy
https://singularsound.com/
It has midi in/out for Mi.1 or the Md-bt01 for remote drum beat selection like an arranger. I think this can be programmed for songbook+ to change rhythms and tempo.
This pedal maybe all we need for dance hall performances. Do we need more?
As long as your IOS device is connected to the 4x through the Yamaha USB Bluetooth, midi out can be routed from the IOS to your BK7m or any other midi module by using a MIDI interface. A $5.00 USB midi interface will do it. This is not the only way, but I am saying we do have this option.

Yes, I have seen the Beat Buddy before.

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:36 pm
by Keymn
Thanks for the info...
I do not have a BK7m, received this info on Bank prg changes on VAccordion and arranger by selecting a song on Songbook+ app.

'To control the BK-7m at the same time, you will need to configure additional BankSelectMSB+BankSelectLSB+ProgramChange but on another MIDI channel and the BK-7m should then listen on that other MIDI channel. (SongBook sends the configured MIDI commands to all connected MIDI devices.)
To add these additional BankSelectMSB+BankSelectLSB+ProgramChange commands press the button "Actions on Open" and then add the midi commands with the plus button. There is no specific BankSelect command, but since BankSelect MSB is a ControlChange 0 and BankSelect LSB is a ControlChange 32 you can use the "MIDI control change" command for that. In "Actions on Open" you can individually select a MIDI channel for each MIDI command.'

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:50 pm
by Keymn
JerryPH wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:05 am
Very impressive! For live performers, this is a big time saver!

Now let's let imagination go one step further and ask... can it configure a Roland BK-7m at the same time? If yes, being able to just chose a song and the rhythm, tempo, initial instruments, your V-Accordion settings all get activated from the selection of a song on an iPad... that would be almost a must-have for any live performer of this genre!!
Baum software added additional information on what you imagined. I do not own a BK7m.
Songbook plus I believe is free to try, limited to 15 songs, I think?
https://baumsoftware.freshdesk.com/en/s ... 7000051000

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:50 pm
by JerryPH
Wow, pretty amazing. Well, this is going to have to be yet another project to add in the future.

Thanks for posting, this is just incredible!

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:14 pm
by Keymn
JerryPH wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:50 pm
Wow, pretty amazing. Well, this is going to have to be yet another project to add in the future.

Thanks for posting, this is just incredible!
I do not think I need this on my FR4x, only 98 programs. But 1400 on FR8X! Hard to remember? Probably more important on BK7m. Imagine, never have to touch or look at BK7m! Songbook+ does it for you.
There is nothing wrong with sheet music books. But in the past 3-4 years I accumulated 2600 songs in IPad! Hours, hours, hours! I do not play many regularly, but handy if request. Keep me posted if anyone tried this application on both units. Thanks for your input.

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:51 pm
by JerryPH
Keymn wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:14 pm
I do not think I need this on my FR4x, only 98 programs. But 1400 on FR8X! Hard to remember? Probably more important on BK7m. Imagine, never have to touch or look at BK7m! Songbook+ does it for you.
... and add 1400 at a time as many times over as you want on a USB stick, that number becomes practically unlimited, which is ridiculous... lol

What that does permit is not programming for groups of sings, but creating custom programming on a per song basis, making each song unique and making hearing the same sounds out of a V-Accordion over the course of an evening near impossible, should one wish to.
Keymn wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:14 pm
There is nothing wrong with sheet music books. But in the past 3-4 years I accumulated 2600 songs in IPad! Hours, hours, hours! I do not play many regularly, but handy if request. Keep me posted if anyone tried this application on both units.
I can acknowledge that digital media is the way of the future. The days of carrying heavy binders/books of music that deteriorate or fade over the years is gone, and it is a lot easier on the ecology too. iPads are reliable enough to make it a very viable technology. I have an old iPad (1 or 2, cannot even recall), that I bought new about 10 or more years ago, and it still works very well today, even the 12 hour rated battery is good for 11+ hours after all this time. I'd really prefer a larger iPad Pro 2 for this application because it is a lot easier to read (almost normal full page size) and it has a greater storage capacity.

It's in the works. :)
Keymn wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:14 pm
Keep me posted if anyone tried this application on both units...
Yes please. If anyone does this sooner than I do, please post it right here, I'd appreciate hearing/seeing it in action.

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:52 am
by Keymn
JerryPH wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:51 pm
Keymn wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:14 pm
I do not think I need this on my FR4x, only 98 programs. But 1400 on FR8X! Hard to remember? Probably more important on BK7m. Imagine, never have to touch or look at BK7m! Songbook+ does it for you.
... and add 1400 at a time as many times over as you want on a USB stick, that number becomes practically unlimited, which is ridiculous... lol


What that does permit is not programming for groups of sings, but creating custom programming on a per song basis, making each song unique and making hearing the same sounds out of a V-Accordion over the course of an evening near impossible, should one wish to.
Keymn wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:14 pm
There is nothing wrong with sheet music books. But in the past 3-4 years I accumulated 2600 songs in IPad! Hours, hours, hours! I do not play many regularly, but handy if request. Keep me posted if anyone tried this application on both units.
I can acknowledge that digital media is the way of the future. The days of carrying heavy binders/books of music that deteriorate or fade over the years is gone, and it is a lot easier on the ecology too. iPads are reliable enough to make it a very viable technology. I have an old iPad (1 or 2, cannot even recall), that I bought new about 10 or more years ago, and it still works very well today, even the 12 hour rated battery is good for 11+ hours after all this time. I'd really prefer a larger iPad Pro 2 for this application because it is a lot easier to read (almost normal full page size) and it has a greater storage capacity.

It's in the works. :)
Keymn wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:14 pm
Keep me posted if anyone tried this application on both units...
Yes please. If anyone does this sooner than I do, please post it right here, I'd appreciate hearing/seeing it in action.
Another item to add to Songbook+, ----after you open song, have the ability to move the registers up and down on the accordion using a Bluetooth pedal. I will ask them if this is possible? Irig Blueboard may be good for this, couple buttons programmed to do this...other buttons (which now is possible), turn page, next song, etc.

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:35 pm
by JerryPH
Keymn wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:52 am
Another item to add to Songbook+, ----after you open song, have the ability to move the registers up and down on the accordion using a Bluetooth pedal. I will ask them if this is possible? Irig Blueboard may be good for this, couple buttons programmed to do this...other buttons (which now is possible), turn page, next song, etc.
I agree, you should contact the company and ask... and good thinking!

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:19 pm
by Keymn
JerryPH wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:35 pm
Keymn wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:52 am
Another item to add to Songbook+, ----after you open song, have the ability to move the registers up and down on the accordion using a Bluetooth pedal. I will ask them if this is possible? Irig Blueboard may be good for this, couple buttons programmed to do this...other buttons (which now is possible), turn page, next song, etc.
I agree, you should contact the company and ask... and good thinking!
No luck on this, can not find anything on accepting Bank up/down control messages.

Re: Songbook+, Roland FR4x and IPad

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:43 am
by Keymn
Keymn wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:19 pm
JerryPH wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:35 pm
Keymn wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:52 am
Another item to add to Songbook+, ----after you open song, have the ability to move the registers up and down on the accordion using a Bluetooth pedal. I will ask them if this is possible? Irig Blueboard may be good for this, couple buttons programmed to do this...other buttons (which now is possible), turn page, next song, etc.
I agree, you should contact the company and ask... and good thinking!
No luck on this, can not find anything on accepting Bank up/down control messages.
Jerry, can this Be programmed on the chin switch on your FR8X? Register up/down,...?