Accordion Competition via the Internet to participate from home

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Re: Accordion Competition via the Internet to participate from home

Post by Antonio » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:40 pm

JeffJetton wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:08 pm
Antonio,

In your first post to this forum, the deadline was August 18th. Did you change the deadline, or is this a new contest entirely? (And, if so, who won the first one?)

Gracias,

- Jeff
Dear Jeff, I have extended the deadline till September the 30th due to little submissions received, I hope to arrive with enough in time to celebrate it. If not, everyone will have their money back. It never happened before with the other competitions I organize for guitar and piano which are very successful, you can listen to all the works of past winners through the same website. At the moment there are 17 works from Argentina, Spain, Denmark, China, Poland, Israel and England. The competition needs a few more, up to 40 so that the prize in cash can be given to the winner. But due to the bad comments I am receiving in this forum, I am afraid I will have to refund the money and never again organize an Accordion Competition in case I do not reach enough competitors, but Let's see what happens. It's incredible, I am just trying to help everybody who plays accordion giving money in prize and there is someone trying to spoil my hours of working. Just as well that some people believe in this project and enjoy taking part.

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Re: Accordion Competition via the Internet to participate from home

Post by wout » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:53 pm

I think this project received a bit to much hostility. There are many rip offs in the world (I have een ripped off by The extreme tour but it was my own fault in a way), but this is not an enormous amount of investment. If you look at the other competitions he organized it seems legit. I think Antonio is right, it is not bad to put some profit into your pocket after putting alot of effort into a project. But what I think mostly, this is a way to bring accordion back to life! Joining into an online competition would put the accordion also more in the spotlights. But these reactions scare peope off to try something like a competition or whatever with the accordion in the spotlight. So I would consider joining in if I can find the time to put myself to recording :)

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Re: Accordion Competition via the Internet to participate from home

Post by Antonio » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:19 pm

debra wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:37 am
Antonio wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:06 pm
JerryPH wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:58 am
Shall we go over the process one more time???
I really don't know why I am treated this way when I create a competiton an offer a first prize of 400 euros.... apart from spending hours in creating a competition with excitement to allow musicians to spread their compositions. It's incredible!! your rude answer.
Sorry to say, but considering that this is an Internet discussion board and the replies you received up to this point we have been very polite in trying to tell you that this competition is a bad idea and that advertising it here is an even worse idea. It seems that no matter how we phrase that opinion you are simply bound to find our replies rude, but really they are not, especially compared to other things that occasionally happen on this and other boards.

There are competitions for either composition or for performance, judged by highly trained professional accordion teachers, composers and performers, and presenting our work to a jury of such professionals may be worthwhile. I do participate for instance in the World Music Festival (in Innsbruck every three years) with an orchestra I play in. That is a wonderful experience. The proposed on-line competition is just... not all that inspiring and even though we are talking about small amounts of money it has a commercial ring to it that we just find uneasy. So what we are trying to say is to please not propose this competition here again.

Maybe, just maybe, after years of valuable contributions to this board and discussing it with long term members there is a chance that we might reach consensus that setting up a similar competition, for fun and not money, is an inspiring and worthwhile community activity. That would be very different from a non-accordionist barging in here (now for the second time) and proposing us to pay money to participate in an on-line competition that does not have its origins in the accordion community and that essentially serves no purpose other than getting people to fork over some money and submit their work which will then not be judged by professionals but by the "wisdom of the crowd".

I'm really trying not to be rude, but still say that sorry but this community has no interest in this competition and would appreciate it if it were not brought up here again. If others disagree with me, please let them respond to tell me I'm not representing the opinion of the community here properly. (After all, I did not formally consult with our community to voice this opinion.)
the wisdom of the crowd is wrong. In this competition only the entrants can vote. As far as I know the composers and musicians have good opinion on music , but sorry to bother you , definitely you try to spoil this amateur project.

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Re: Accordion Competition via the Internet to participate from home

Post by debra » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:10 pm

Antonio wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:19 pm
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the wisdom of the crowd is wrong. In this competition only the entrants can vote. As far as I know the composers and musicians have good opinion on music , but sorry to bother you , definitely you try to spoil this amateur project.
In the past there just have been too many accordion competitions that were organized mostly for the financial gain of the organizers and for the remaining part for the glory and financial gain of the "professional" judges that were hired.
The accordion association in the Netherlands is trying to organize some competitions that are clearly not for financial gain. The organization in Belgium does not even dare to try it. They do organize exams (either for free or for a very low fee) to classify musicians and groups into categories, without it being a competition.
We have become really allergic to the concept of competitions. It is absolutely not your doing! I at least am not against *you*. I am against the *concept of this competition*.
Paul De Bra (not Debra...)
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