Non-standards jazz accordion

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Non-standards jazz accordion

Post by Ganza » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:28 pm

Hi, apart from Richard Galliano, can anyone point me in the direction of jazz accordion recordings or artists who DONT play (often cheesy) jazz standards?
Is there any jazz accordionist who plays bebop, modal jazz or even free jazz?
Where is the Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane etc of jazz accordion?
I think Galliano (who i love) could be classified as the Miles Davis of jazz accordion perhaps ;-)
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Post by JIM D. » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:05 pm

There are many such as --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J075BxrlZG0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by donn » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:13 pm

Search for "jazz accordion" youtube videos turns up lots of stuff, most apparently from Europe and Russia. As I write this I'm listening to a Laurent Derache on what seems to be a regular French program with interviews and live performance, playing in a modern international style that's pretty recognizable but I can't name. I bring it up because in one selection he does play "Someday My Prince Will Come", but ... I think you will agree that the point is not whether he might play a standard, but how he plays it.

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Post by losthobos » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:46 pm

try and find CD JAZZ ACCORDEON : THE NEW WAVE
label 52" rue est 2012
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Post by debra » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:32 pm

Just as an example search for "Borys Myronchuk" on YouTube. Good jazzy player with very different style than Galliano.
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Post by JIM D. » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:21 pm

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Post by NigelB » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:27 pm

Then there is the new kid on the block... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1nq2qqgdlM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Ganza » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:16 am

Thanks everyone, that's great!

PS that last video of the young portuguese accordionist, João, do you think he uses free bass?
He's such a great player
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Re: Non-standards jazz accordion

Post by cmooradian » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:26 pm

What exactly do you mean by "cheesy" jazz standards? Who would you use as an example of cheesy?

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Post by Ganza » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:04 pm

cmooradian wrote:What exactly do you mean by "cheesy" jazz standards? Who would you use as an example of cheesy?

It would be heretical so I can't say! :o
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Post by simonking » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:36 pm

I think he means some of the 'standards' of the 20's and 30's that could be called cheesy in their original form but I think they can sound fantastic when proper jazz treatment is applied to them. Unless you mean 'trad' jazz which I don't particularly like that much either.

Anyway, check out Italian player Simone Zanchini - he seems to cover a lot of ground, particularly towards the solo free jazz end of the spectrum.

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Re: Non-standards jazz accordion

Post by donn » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:11 am

I like cheese, couldn't make a pizza without it just as one example among many that confirms its place in my heart. But unlike some people, I don't like to put cheese in my soup. "Autumn Leaves" (1945) is a great tune, and I bet there are plenty of renditions of it that would make great listening, but of course I have also heard renditions that aren't very imaginative and one could argue it's been done to death. Cheesy accordion job on Autumn Leaves? It happens, though of course a matter of taste. Sometimes cheese hits the spot. The date a tune was written doesn't figure into it very much, I think.

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Re: Non-standards jazz accordion

Post by cmooradian » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:06 pm

Ganza, that was my thought exactly!

Donn, I agree with you. It is about the purpose of the music. That's why I wanted clarification on "cheesy" jazz standards.
I think the above point is something commonly forgotten about by contemporary jazz listeners today, at least on my side of the pond. Jazz originated as a dance music, a participatory music, and early jazz and swing especially deserves to be listened to as such. In fact, a small number of vernacular jazz dancers (AKA swing dancers, who don't only dance to swing as it turns out!) and musicians have actually begun referring to early jazz styles by its original spelling, "jass," to differentiate it even further functionally and stylistically from cooler or sweeter styles that came later, like bebop. My trad "jass" band, as a matter of fact, is one such band.

SimonKing, are you referring to the Tin Pan Alley songs that were typically played by white, sweet jazz musicians in the 20's and 30's? If that's the case, yes. I agree. They are cheesy. But I'm not sure I would even count them as true jazz "standards"...

Anyway, I love jazz standards, especially those pre-1940. I don't play or listen to much else. I love the "cheese." I love the energy. It's the original American party music!

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Re: Non-standards jazz accordion

Post by JIM D. » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:47 pm

Then you might like this -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbaZWcvVtj0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Non-standards jazz accordion

Post by donn » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:44 pm

For me their rhythm section does better on the more latin or bossa nova style selections. If you like 10, "Preciso me encontrar", look up the Marisa Monte version which is a giant Brazilian hit.

How about a couple renditions of Tea for Two, 1925, though more post-war feel.
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Post by simonking » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:19 pm

Now that's all my kind of stuff... It's worth remembering that a load of the so-called 'Tin Pan Alley' songs that were written have been forgotten - mostly only the best music has survived the last 80-90 years!

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Re: Non-standards jazz accordion

Post by donn » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:04 am

All right, how about more Ernie Felice, with Benny Goodman, on Sweet Lorraine - brief solo at 0:45, but nice line and some interesting ornamentation, and Sweet Georgia Brown at 1:08 kicking it up a bit.

And then ... nothing much here for accordion, but speaking of cheese ... maybe cheese and chestnuts in syrup ... Dream.

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