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A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:03 pm
by Percycat
I have a 41/120 piano accordion with the name PAOLO SOPRAN embossed vertically down the grille from the keyboard and round to the treble box. Sorry I don't know how to attach a photo.
I have trawled through hundreds of photos of Paolos but have not seen another with the name perpendicular to the keyboard but I am a total novice and new to accordions. Any comments will be gratefully received.

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:25 pm
by JIM D.
Without a Pic' or more info , I cannot help with what you have. There were thousands made and imported.
See here and scroll down to Paolo Soprani --
http://www.accordionlinks.com/manufacturer.html

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:42 pm
by Geronimo
Percycat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:03 pm
I have a 41/120 piano accordion with the name PAOLO SOPRAN embossed vertically down the grille from the keyboard and round to the treble box. Sorry I don't know how to attach a photo.
I have trawled through hundreds of photos of Paolos but have not seen another with the name perpendicular to the keyboard but I am a total novice and new to accordions. Any comments will be gratefully received.
One would probably have to look on the inside. For example, Hohner placed its logo always in a certain manner. Except here:
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Presumably they did not care seeing their logo turned on its head when this instrument changed hands, and Würthner, having lost fingers in his right hand in an accident, played his instrument upside down.

So a more definite answer is mainly found when looking inside and checking an instrument's build. I have an Excelsior with a grille and register rockers I have seen nowhere else. I once had a Hohner "Musette IV" which was a button accordion with a Verdi grille and similar entrails that was not to be found in the official model lists. And so on. In most instances, there is no incentive for forgery since the quality of an instrument is immediately apparent when playing it.

So why bother?

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:02 am
by JIM D.

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:46 am
by Percycat
Thanks to Jim D and Geronimo for your replies.
I know I'm not too smart with these things so if someone can tell me how to attach photos I will.
I have checked out the google images and others I can find on the net.
Unfortunately, the innards are a bit of a mess - most of the leathers are shot, some missing, one reed plate missing, at least one broken reed and a fair few are rusty. No tone chamber and machine made reeds.

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:25 am
by Percycat
Here it is I think

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I can add more pics if this will help

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:57 pm
by Soulsaver
Not like any PS I've seen - but that don't make it a ringer. It could be a PS with a broken grill that someone found a Hohner fitted nicely and added auto letters maybe from Halfords... still a PS. Are the reeds marked in any way?

Anyway it's of an age (1940s) where who cares as long as it plays nicely eventually.

I've got a 70's Scandalli Polyphonica Mod XIV with a custom grill...

Unlikely you'll ever see another like it, but it's still a 70's Scandalli.

PS I'm tempted to have the grill stripped & polished... but I don't know what welds &/or stretched metal I'll find under the black powder coat..
scandalli poly xiv m emblem.jpg

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:45 pm
by Percycat
Thanks Soulsaver at least I know where to get the missing 'I' from. The only marks I can see are the stamped corner lines, mostly single but some triple, on the reed plates. I think the grille fits just too perfectly for it not to be the original, but what do I know? The grille on your Scandalli looks just fine to me, I've got an old aerosol of black stove paint if you want it!

I found this in the Paolo, both reeds cut off at the same length (photo makes it look different lengths):-

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Here on the single bass reed block at the front of the accordion 7th down from the top:-

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I don't understand. At first I thought it was broken but both sides?

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:56 pm
by Geronimo
Looks like someone accidentally or intentionally (because he found the bass too bright) ruined a reed and then silenced the remaining or both reeds without causing too much of an air leakage for other reeds.

If the reeds actually sound (I doubt it), it may be a reed plate with the wrong pitch that he tried mangling to the right pitch.

It does not look like something intended to be a good idea.

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:11 pm
by triskel
It's quite definitely a Paolo Soprani, and that grille is actually the typical one found on models from the end of the 1930s and the early 1940s. There's a 1942 post card of somebody playing a very similar instrument, but with different couplers, for sale on eBay: http://www.ebay.it/itm/1942-MILANO-Giov ... SwwE5WaFtB

However, though the name lettering looks suitably Art Deco and "period" with the accordion, I cant imagine the firm themselves putting their name onto an instrument as "PAOLO SOPRAN"... :?

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:39 pm
by TomBR
Great to have you on board Triskel - I've previously valued your comments and knowledge greatly over at the concertina and melodeon forums, assuming you're one and the same! :D

Re: A Paolo Soprani or not?

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:23 am
by triskel
'Tis. Google led me here last night, and I saw I could answer a few of these enquiries - and I've a few more to do yet... ;)