Very basic CBA fingering question

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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by JerryPH » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:48 pm

Impressive indeed. :)

And since we have someone here that is in the know, what is the price of a Nova Piano? I'd be interested in knowing how it compares in price to other top of the line instruments.

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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by debra » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:21 pm

JerryPH wrote:Impressive indeed. :)

And since we have someone here that is in the know, what is the price of a Nova Piano? I'd be interested in knowing how it compares in price to other top of the line instruments.

Thanks Acon. :D
The Nova is considered absolute top. The PA will be slightly less expensive than the CBA version because it has fewer notes. I would think that the top of the line Bugari may be just a little bit less expensive as well. "Top of the line" in Italy is roughly around 30.000 euro. For comparison, a top of the line PA from AKKO costs around 10.000 euro. It is a matter of exchange rate and of supply and demand. Pigini can ask top prices for the Nova because they keep the supply low. (I heard they only make 6 Nova's per year, but I don't know whether that is a reliable statement, nor whether it is actually a true statement.)
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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by JerryPH » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:37 pm

debra wrote:(I heard they only make 6 Nova's per year, but I don't know whether that is a reliable statement, nor whether it is actually a true statement.)
Pigini say that exact same thing on their website, a maximum of 6 per year:

http://www.pigini.homepage.t-online.de/PIGINI_NOVA.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One would think that if they say it, they mean it. :)
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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by debra » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:51 am

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debra wrote:(I heard they only make 6 Nova's per year, but I don't know whether that is a reliable statement, nor whether it is actually a true statement.)
Pigini say that exact same thing on their website, a maximum of 6 per year:

http://www.pigini.homepage.t-online.de/PIGINI_NOVA.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One would think that if they say it, they mean it. :)
Are you forgetting they are Italian? ;-) Italian companies post lists of instruments they make but the lists are incomplete. They list instrument sizes and weights but the weights are off (on average I would estimate they are about 1kg optimistic). I would not be surprised at all if a few years down the line there will be a list of people lucky enough to have a Pigini Nova and that the list shows that more than 6 instruments were made per year... I have a "healthy" level of scepticism towards any firm statement made by Italians. (But I still love them for the quality of their instruments, barring a few dozen minor issues with every new instrument that leaves their factories...)
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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by JerryPH » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:27 pm

Of course, how silly of me! :lol:

I don't think that they say they limit themselves to 6 per year... I think that there aren't more than 6 people per year that are at that level where they would want this instrument or could afford it... lol
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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by Acon » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:37 am

Thanks TomBR. I've learned CBA for 15 months. Yes I spent lots of time on in. :)

I haven't used any chin register before (actually haven't used any register but my pathetic tremolo buttons on that small PIGINI :cry: ), so I just let them use the default chin register setting on my Master 58/B de luxe.

About the price of Nova Piano, Paul was right, it's around 30,000 euro according to the 2016 price list, and the Nova CBA version is near 36,000 euro! These don't include the VAT and any importing tax. So, I need a deep breath... :o

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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by debra » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:01 am

Acon wrote:Thanks TomBR. I've learned CBA for 15 months. Yes I spent lots of time on in. :)

I haven't used any chin register before (actually haven't used any register but my pathetic tremolo buttons on that small PIGINI :cry: ), so I just let them use the default chin register setting on my Master 58/B de luxe.

About the price of Nova Piano, Paul was right, it's around 30,000 euro according to the 2016 price list, and the Nova CBA version is near 36,000 euro! These don't include the VAT and any importing tax. So, I need a deep breath... :o
You never pay what the price list says, but after discount and after then adding VAT and other taxes (other taxes apply only if you're not in the EU) you probably end up around the same numbers again. I am a very enthusiastic amateur and I am not strapped for money but I consider about 1/3 of that price to be a good "top end" of what I would pay for a really really good accordion. (And 1/3 is about what I did pay for my AKKO which is an instrument played by many professional concert accordionists, so I don't feel bad about the "level" of my instrument.)
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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by Acon » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:40 pm

Paul,

Is there any way to buy or even become a reseller of AKKO in Australia? :?:

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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by debra » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:43 pm

Acon wrote:Paul,

Is there any way to buy or even become a reseller of AKKO in Australia? :?:
I bought through Oleg Lysenko, a bayanist from the Ukraine who lives in the Netherlands. You can probably order direct from AKKO if you can communicate with them in Russian... But buying is only part of the problem: you need to be able to collect the instrument (unless you know any company that can be trusted in shipping an accordion without breaking it) and then you also need to have a local who can do repairs. A bayan has some interesting differences from an accordion, like large multiple-reed plates, so replacing a reed is a very different job on a bayan than on an accordion. It is a challenge I hope to avoid for at least the next few years. You do need to be able to handle at least the basics like stuck reeds, which happens a bit more often than on most accordions because of smaller tolerances (the reeds are a very tight fit on the reed plates to reduce air loss but the smallest dust particle already causes high reeds to get stuck). Of course, when you get the Pigini Master 58/B de luxe you may also experience that because of the "a mano" reeds. The reality is that every accordion player should be able to solve a stuck reed problem, but many actually do not dare to try it. I'm sure you are not that afraid.
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Re: Very basic CBA fingering question

Post by Acon » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:43 pm

Paul,

What you said are the main concerns I have right now. Accordion/bayan is a delicate instrument so shipping is a huge challenge. PIGINI always ships accordions to their customers and resellers so they are experienced in this. Being that said, I know some PIGINI users receiving their instruments with issues (mostly broken wooden parts).

Shipping to Australian is another headache for me because every wooden piece has to go through the quarantine inspection. They use chemical steam to treat everything but I guess that would be a disaster for any music instrument.

About the maintenance and tuning, I will fly back to Taiwan to take a training. An accordionist who worked in PIGINI before will teach these essential skills to me. Hope that will help me and my career too.

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