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Using the left hand thumb

Post by xocd » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:48 pm

On the first video below Oivind Farmen uses his thumb on the left hand on an accordion specially designed for that purpose:

Oivind Farmen/stepped left keyboard

On the second video, below, Uwe Steger is apparently using his thumb on a Roland accordion with standard left hand keyboard.

Uwe Steger/Roland accordion

I have tried this on a typical left hand keyboard (C-system free-bass) and it seems doable and useful (C-major arpeggios were pretty fluid), though I have not practiced much. Have you tried this?

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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by debra » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:15 pm

I have used the thumb, both in free bass and with chords, but only on the outer row. Without the stepped keyboard using the thumb on other rows is just too difficult.
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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by Nuuksu » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:32 pm

Not completely in topic but I discovered this



How good it may be to use thumb on such kind of keyboard?

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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by JerryPH » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:05 pm

I've discussed this in the past, and it is very interesting, but how often does one need the thumb? That depends on the instrument one has and the music played. For me, I have never had the need for this, and survived quite nicely, however, if I was 7 years old again and starting over, the system that Oivind Farmen uses is 100% the system I would be using, both left AND right hands.

For now and very likely until I can no longer play an accordion, I will make due with my Hohner Morino VI N with the C-system 185 bass layout and maybe somethings will be played with the layout of the Roland FR-8X.
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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by Nuuksu » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:06 pm

Thumb is not strict requirement but considering tehcnical possibilities that accordion has it is a little shame that using thumb in left hand is brought up only quite recently. It is interesting that there has been attempts in past but they have failed. Farmen system or actually his teacher invention (he mentions it in his video) is really unique, it is quite easy to produce(probably) and don't need relearning.

I agree with Jerry that it depends on music genre, but in the other hand it is not very wise to connect accordion only with small group of music genres, at least I thing these times are over. If I get rich someday I order free-bass instrument with Farmen system too :) ...but with bayan free-bass layout. Doing five part chords in both hand would be rather interesting.

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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by JerryPH » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:20 pm

Nuuksu wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:06 pm
...but in the other hand it is not very wise to connect accordion only with small group of music genres, at least I thing these times are over.
Maybe I did not properly write down my thought, but I did not say anything about connecting or disconnecting the accordion with small groups of musical genres, I did say that some kinds of music lends itself more readily to using the thumb, such as most classical music that was designed originally to be played on a Piano, with 5 fingers on the left hand in use, for example.

A small note, because the Bayan system reverses the order of the notes so that the deepest notes are at the bottom (opposite from all other systems where the deepest notes are on the top), the fingering would actually be closer to what the original music fingering was originally written in *if* it was written for piano. Still, for me personally because I have played the MIII system for so long, it just seems more logical and natural to play a keyboard where the deepest notes are at the top and flow to the higher notes as both my hands descend. I am sure it would be different if I started with a Bayan system as a child... lol
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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by george garside » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:28 pm

on my main box there is absolutely no question of using the thumb on the bass as it is on full time air bar duty!
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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by losthobos » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:35 pm

On a 3 x 3 system the thumb is a great device for hitting the sharp root (ie C#dim in key of C) diminished
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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by EMan » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:32 am

I've never seen an accordion with the bass on the side like the one in the video, but I'm just one person. Every time I come on this forum, I learn something new. I just left (as in 1/2 hr ago) the Cotati Accordion Festival grounds and saw more accordions and types of accordions today than I have seen in years, and still didn't see an accordion with the bass on the side. Are there any new ones like that being manufactured ?

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Re: Using the left hand thumb

Post by debra » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:04 am

losthobos wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:35 pm
On a 3 x 3 system the thumb is a great device for hitting the sharp root (ie C#dim in key of C) diminished
You completely lost me here. What makes it easier to play C#dim in the key of C? C#dim on a 3+3 system has 3 of its notes as C7 but the base note C# is still quite far away (major third of A or minor third of Bes)...
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