The Polish Hop

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The Polish Hop

Post by Keymn » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:44 pm

When I first was learning how to play the Polka, my mother taught me correct tempo for a particular polka style they danced to. She always told not to play it too fast. Probably a lot less of the twirling in there latter years, but always out there on the floor when this polka style played. Typical style that is still played in the Midwest states like Wisconsin and Minnesota today. But In Poland, think the Polkas are played lots faster?
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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by JerryPH » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:13 am

In general other styles of Slavic polkas are played a bit faster, however if you play this style like that, about 1/2 the people on the dance floor are going to get coronaires. ..lol

There are singing polka and dancing ones. Thought of course all polkas can be sung and danced to, danced polka are just generally a bit slower than the sung ones so people can keep up.

That's a huge generalization of course. :)
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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by Keymn » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:24 pm

JerryPH wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:13 am
In general other styles of Slavic polkas are played a bit faster, however if you play this style like that, about 1/2 the people on the dance floor are going to get coronaires. ..lol

There are singing polka and dancing ones. Thought of course all polkas can be sung and danced to, danced polka are just generally a bit slower than the sung ones so people can keep up.

That's a huge generalization of course. :)
If looking at BPM on your arranger, I am usually between 122 and 128. Of course, if faster, shorten the song a bit for dancers. After 2 minutes, then think about the ending. But if doing a show, do dancing, faster tempos. Like I said before, my mom stressed tempo to me for Polkas.
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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by maugein96 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:35 pm

Larry,

Better get your trainers on. Here's the tempo you can expect from Polish accordionists when they play them as instrumentals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0RYGOOt14A

And it isn't much slower in Slovenia either:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S3lDuWHmvU

Or you could always try this version from somewhere in the former Russian state (but it can't be done sober) :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1I1QCtJZF4

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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by Keymn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:46 pm

My friend Joey Miskulin is my mentor. He started with Franky Yankovich in 1962. He plays smooth where I am more familiar with.. He showed me how to play simplistic and yet sound good. Today he is a studio musician in Nashville which is an art in itself. Joey has lots of training you tubes you can look up. Today he gigs with Riders in the Sky too.
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Here he is doing country. Jimmy Capps guitar and Charlie McCoy are the top studio musicians too. Notice the smoothness!

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Notice the Pancordion. A nice box...

Johnny Pecon was another great one!
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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by TomBR » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:43 pm

maugein96 wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:35 pm
Larry,

Better get your trainers on. Here's the tempo you can expect from Polish accordionists when they play them as instrumentals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0RYGOOt14A
Great playing and a nice vid, but the question is about tempos for dancing, so...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2bF86_sTWw

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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by maugein96 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:17 pm

Larry,

Loved the track with that Pancordion. Superb!

Speaking for myself I had heard of Joey Miskulin, and Frankie Yankovic, but until we got You Tube and other internet media, I had no idea of what their music was all about.

The accordion in North America was uncharted territory for me until I joined the forum a few years ago, and it seems I missed out on an awful lot.

I had heard the likes of Slavko Avsenik playing Slovenian polkas, and when I first heard Frankie Yankovic (on You Tube) I had to check that I had read the caption of the billing correctly. It certainly sounds Slovenian, but as you say it is a bit "smoother" than the traditional stuff.

There used to be a fair number of Polish social clubs here in Scotland, but they are now very few and far between. Don't think I was ever in one, but there always seemed to be accordions on the go.

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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by maugein96 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:20 pm

TomBR wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:43 pm
maugein96 wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:35 pm
Larry,

Better get your trainers on. Here's the tempo you can expect from Polish accordionists when they play them as instrumentals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0RYGOOt14A
Great playing and a nice vid, but the question is about tempos for dancing, so...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2bF86_sTWw
Sorry Tom,

I thought it was about Polish polkas in general, so I looked for the fastest one I could find, and it seems I missed the nail and hit my finger. You'll know I've got a lot of prizes for that!

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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by Keymn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:32 pm

It comes down to tempo. When playing a dance, slow them down. A concert, a faster beat. Average North American polka dancers that follow that Slovanian style, seem to dance with no stress. A technique which my parents were doing for years.
You can fill the dance floor with this tempo.
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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by maugein96 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:16 pm

Keymn wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:32 pm
It comes down to tempo. When playing a dance, slow them down. A show a faster beat. Average North American polka dancers that follow that Slovanian style, seem to dance with no stress. A technique which my parents were doing for years.
You can fill the dance floor with this tempo.
https://youtu.be/U5aes8gJnEw
Larry,

I suppose people like me forget that the accordion often has an indelible link with dancing. I'm usually blinkered to instrumental stuff, and am often oblivious to any singing or dancing elements going on. A lifetime of listening to French musette players rendering their versions of various tunes in recording studios at whatever tempo suits them has caused me to fail to appreciate that entertainers like yourself are often catering for a different demand.

The concept of French musette has completely altered from the days when accordionists played for the benefit of dancers, until it has reached the point in the present day when top name players just expect their audience to sit and be amazed by their attempts to break 1000 notes per minute.

Playing for dancers still takes place but most of the dancers are usually older than I am.

According to what I've read the polka was created in Bohemia, and countless other countries adapted it to suit their own requirements. Here in Scotland we have our own distinct version, and it is vastly different from the faster polkas found in mainland Europe.

As I'm 75% Irish I can post this clip of an Irish polka medley, as being my preference over Scottish. You typically get three Irish polkas over and done with while Scottish dancers are still on their first one!

In Ireland they need to dance at that speed before the rain comes on!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxcwW6Yy9s

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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by Keymn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:49 pm

maugein96 wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:16 pm
Keymn wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:32 pm
It comes down to tempo. When playing a dance, slow them down. A show a faster beat. Average North American polka dancers that follow that Slovanian style, seem to dance with no stress. A technique which my parents were doing for years.
You can fill the dance floor with this tempo.
https://youtu.be/U5aes8gJnEw
Larry,

I suppose people like me forget that the accordion often has an indelible link with dancing. I'm usually blinkered to instrumental stuff, and am often oblivious to any singing or dancing elements going on. A lifetime of listening to French musette players rendering their versions of various tunes in recording studios at whatever tempo suits them has caused me to fail to appreciate that entertainers like yourself are often catering for a different demand.

The concept of French musette has completely altered from the days when accordionists played for the benefit of dancers, until it has reached the point in the present day when top name players just expect their audience to sit and be amazed by their attempts to break 1000 notes per minute.

Playing for dancers still takes place but most of the dancers are usually older than I am.

According to what I've read the polka was created in Bohemia, and countless other countries adapted it to suit their own requirements. Here in Scotland we have our own distinct version, and it is vastly different from the faster polkas found in mainland Europe.

As I'm 75% Irish I can post this clip of an Irish polka medley, as being my preference over Scottish. You typically get three Irish polkas over and done with while Scottish dancers are still on their first one!

In Ireland they need to dance at that speed before the rain comes on!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxcwW6Yy9s
Square dancing seems similar in US, But a little bit slower beat...
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Re: The Polish Hop

Post by maugein96 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:02 pm

The melodies are somewhat identical, but slower as you say.

You'll sometimes hear it referred to as the "slide" in Ireland, but I'm not big into dancing of any description, so couldn't elaborate on that.

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