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Re: Campane

Post by losthobos » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:49 pm

maugein96 wrote:Matt, and if I can get the first bit down, I'll try and work the rest out from the dots. If it is too complicated I'll leave it to the experts and move on. That's the extent of my musical "knowledge". There may be others like me on the forum, but I reckon not many would admit to it.
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Re: Campane

Post by Matt Butcher » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:27 pm

John, it's funny but I never thought of the French musette as easy listening music, it's sort of hardcore in its own way. I would like to hear you play and it seems like you're tempted... as for the basses I seem to remember you have a midi accordion? Nor liscio music must be easy listening, because it's called "smooth", but I'm very comfortable with that.

Terry, that's fascinating to hear about your musical influences and about your father. I think there is a value in listening to some of this old stuff, on its own terms, so out of line with modern UK tastes but might well have meant everything to someone back in the day.

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Re: Campane

Post by maugein96 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:20 pm

Hello again Matt,

I don't even know how a midi accordion works. I'm led to believe there is a mute coupler that switches all the reeds off, but that's about the limit of my knowledge.If there is no mute coupler I don't reckon I could play the box with two different sounds coming out of it, so I've never bothered to read up on it. I did once have a Crosio with amplified bass, but it never lasted long either.

I've only ever played acoustic, although I did once consider a digital Crucianelli with a Cavagnolo expander. In fact that's the reason I joined the forum. I wanted to know if anyone could recommend it, but decided it was a non-starter after due consideration. I have a guitar modelling amp which never sees the light of day, as it takes (me) about a fortnight to set it all up. Then when I do get it going I find I prefer the sound of a conventional amp. That's why I've stuck with acoustic accordions. Similar situation with all that recording gear people talk about on here and on other forums. I just can't be bothered with all the hassle, and just want to play music. If I ever manage to work out a way to record off my laptop without my accordion sounding as though it was tuned by a caveman I might oblige.

French musette, and Ballo Liscio are pretty specialised, I agree. I never made a lot of ingress into the Liscio as the Italians have a more deliberate bellows technique and more staccato approach to their waltzes, and I couldn't quite get it right after so long as a pretend French musette player. In the north of France they weren't so keen on the bals musette at one time, so they started accordion clubs where the emphasis was playing to seated, rather than dancing, audiences. Some of the music then became pretty hard core as the players strived to outdo each other, usually with finger-busting mazurkas and polkas.

I think in older times French musette tended to be aimed at the masses, and there was a lot of drivel churned out by a lot of the big name players in the name of introducing variety into the genre. Loads of tacky "pop" and renditions of tunes that were way out of the musette ballpark started to form a considerable part of the repertoire, as well as dressed up folk tunes, which were very overplayed.

In recent years the gypsy and jazz influences have probably created another hard core version of musette, and I would agree that it doesn't really make for much easy listening. A handful of pro youngsters have gone "retro" recently in what seems to be an effort to restore the old fashioned three voice musette sound. The problem was that a lot of the big name pros openly condemned the three voice musette sound to the point where it fell distinctly out of favour, apart from in the north and in Belgium.

I've lately taken to listening to different styles in an effort to retain an interest in the accordion, and to be honest I cannot get much out of any of the musette styles these days, except the Italian style which I still enjoy. I've also started to dabble in some of the old "chanson" type French music in an effort to get all those repetitive musette chord progressions out of my head. I know the tunes, don't have to waste days trying to learn them, and they get you out of all those waltzes, polkas, and the other standard fare. Maybe some day I'll get round to posting a clip or two, but I don't seem to have the inclination at the moment.

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