Music On Soundcloud

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Music On Soundcloud

Post by Mike K » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:23 am

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I recorded some songs for myself a couple weekends ago. They are not all ready for primetime but I put a bunch out on Soundcloud for you listening enjoyment.

Not quite ready to try videos yet.

Open to comments and suggestions. I know I played a few too fast, I have that tendency. Also a lot of the improvs change each time I play it. One of the reasons I wanted to record them was to keep listening to them so maybe I can get a standard improvisation down.
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Re: Music On Soundcloud

Post by Matt Butcher » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:02 am

Fantastic, great playing and very enjoyable. This takes advantage of the good sound quality on SoundCloud. What instrument are you playing on these?

One technical point, I'm listening on headphones right now and most of the sound (nearly all the treble) is coming into my right ear. The basses are quite separate and quieter (on Begin the Beguine they are very quiet indeed). You're putting some thoughts into the bass parts so if they could be brought out and maybe have a bit more cross over between the left and right stereo channel it would give it a more realistic and punchy sound. But it could be my cheap kit, someone else might hear something different.

Anyway a nice way to start the day, thanks for posting.

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Re: Music On Soundcloud

Post by Mike K » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:20 pm

YOu are exactly right in what you are hearing. Presently I am playing on a Giulietti accordion with stereo outputs. The right and left hand mics are separate and go to separate channels. I am then plugging this into a stereo input on my computer and using Audacity to manage sound levels and add some reverb. This does leave the right and left hand totally separate especially when listening on head phones which I do a lot. Play music while I am exercising or working.

I do not have any fancy recording set ups and I am really a novice on recording. I can try just playing and using mic on computer to pick up sound but that would probably result in lower quality. Not sure if audacity allows me to blend channels, I think it can create a mono recording out of stereo. I am sure it is capable of more than I know how to do presently. I have figured out how to adjust volume of channels separately but did not spend enough time on each song really playing with it.

Another problem is the mics on the accordion. 1960s technology and some corrosion or dirt on the pots it appears. I think a couple songs have some noise on them caused by the volume pots on the accordion, I may not have put those sounds up there. Tried some contact cleaner but it appears there are some bad spots. I may have to look into replacing them someday.

Need a training course on making recordings. Got some advise from another post I put up but spending my time on relearning to play the accordion right now. If I go "professional" I may need to go to a studio and actually do some recordings and then get someone to create a web page. Times have changed since I used to play professionally in 60s and 70s.

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Music On Soundcloud

Post by losthobos » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:21 pm

You'v managed to record a lovely tone on Georgia...
And Autumn Leaves has nice motion...
Clueless , to recording myself...at mo just use camera for simplicity and quite aware loosing dynamics...have a Zoom r8 sitting in a box waiting till i've a few days of leisu to experiment...some one else recorded me on one with two separate mics in room and was impressed with result....goood luuuck
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Re: Music On Soundcloud

Post by JeffJetton » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:23 pm

Good stuff, Mike!

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Re: Music On Soundcloud

Post by JerryPH » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:45 pm

Lots of good work there! I would be proud to have that kind of a collection under my belt. :)

For info on recording, there are several options and ways to record, let's start with what you have.

- Built-in mics on your accordion. If you can get enough gain to get good sound, they are usually one of my favorite ways to record, when possible. Did you know that on most audio programs where you can record each hand to a separate track, that you have complete control over where in the "stereo image" they appear? Look for a PAN control in your recording software, that decides what speaker the sound comes out of, and there is an infinite level of adjustability between left and right. My suggestion is that if you are just making a mono track, set the PAN settings to center on each side, that means that both the left and right hands come out equally out of both speakers. This is also what MONO sounds like. For a bit of spice, set one side to like 30% left and 30% right, to create a little separation. Play with this to taste. Also, when creating multitracks, there are no rules as to where you place each instrument in the image. I used to like creating the effect of 2 accordions, each on opposite sides of the image, and have them share the melody and harmony separately.

When talking ANY kind of sound capturing using mics (external or internal), one thing you have to remember, when playing back the recording and recording/adding another track, you cannot let the sound of the music exit your speakers and be captured by your accordion mics, and the ONLY work-around for that is to wear headphones. On that topic, briefly, it is a good idea to invest in some good headphones that you can wear comfortably over long periods of time. I always preferred the "over the entire ear" models, as they blocked out all outside noise, letting me hear just what I needed to. I managed to find a good set of loud, comfortable and sonically accurate headphones for under $50 that were more than good enough for my needs, but using the Roland RH-300 headphones that I got in the deal with my Roland accordion, I noted a much higher level of comfort, and that makes playing longer periods of time at 4:00am quite fun, actually. :)

External mic(s). One mic can capture a lot of the sound coming out of the accordion, however, I find that external mics also capture more of the keyboard/valve, bass button clatter. This is neither good nor bad, but depends on what you are looking for, so be aware of this. For best effect, a couple of mics can be used, each placed in front and to the side of the right and left sides of the accordion in front of you. This gives you added control of boosting the bass volume if/when it's needed. The quality of the sound captured will be directly related to the quality of the mic used to capture the sound. Another issue with external mics is room acoustics. If you are in a room with boomy sound acoustics or a larger room with hard walls where the sound bounces all around, expect a lot of unwanted reverb or echo. Most any room can be treated to reduce these effects, but sound management can get quite complex in some cases.

Recording sound captured via camcorder. There is NO factory camcorder that has the ability to come even close to good quality sound from it's internal mics. The secret here is to "port in" the sound from good mics. Now, one can do this "live" by simply using the camcorder to capture the sound from a quality mic or two, but the downside to that is that the camera is in control of the attenuation and volume control. Soft passages are made louder and loud passages are made softer, so as not to clip. For an amateur recording this can help more than hinder, however song sound dynamics are drastically reduced. Using an external recorder connected to quality mics and recording in real time the EXACT same performance that the video recorder is capturing results in much better results, however, the technical complexity rises, as you must know or learn how to sync the music from the external recorder to the video via a separate video application like Pinnacle, Vegas, Premiere Pro, etc... and kill the sound that is on the video camcorder so it does not muddy up the properly captured audio from your external device.

For a little extra info, I recently went to a Bayan recital and his accordion had no integrated mics, so they used two quality external mics. Though the sound was very nice (they used some really expensive mics!), every register change on either hand, every valve drop and lift and every press on every bass note and every bellows sound was clearly heard, yet I am pretty sure it did not detract from the event for me, as I was expecting these things as being part of the normal things one hears during a recital, but for home recordings, I cannot see it being something that I would like in my recordings, personally.

One thing that I am kind of looking forward to is hearing the recording results of my works using a 100% digital accordion, where there are no mics, no valve or key clatter (unless I want to turn that on), no bellows sounds and ZERO chance of feedback. I think that at least in the beginning, it will all be very strange for me... lol, but the ease with which to capture 100% pure digital sound without any extraneous external sounds will be interesting, and when creating multitrack, I will be able to listen to the main track and record additional tracks without needing to wear headphones, again, thanks to no analog mics present anywhere.
My musical memoires blog/website: http://www.AccordionMemories.com

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